I have flown the HAL Dhruv helicopter between 2004 and 2008. While the helicopter handled very well, and did tick most of the boxes, there remain certain basic problems with the manufacturing. This is the real-life and first hand account of my personal experience operating the Dhruv, and commanding the men whose safety in the the air, was my responsibility.
I will break it down into a few topics:
- Some examples, with photographs of shoddy workmanship, failure of material, and things installed incorrectly. While these may be from 2006 - 2008, it is unlikely that this basic issue has been addressed, seeing as the number of helicopters that are falling to the ground isn't reducing.
- Give examples of similar problems in other HAL helicopters like the Chetak (Alouette III)
- Give concrete suggestions on how to address this, correct it and move forward.
The Chief of Air Staff had shown extreme displeasure to the HAL leadership while discussing the problems sitting in the Tejas cockpit. While the conversation may not have been intended for the public domain it has unfortunately been put there and available for everyone to see. The reality is that this is the same conversation that every person has, who fly HAL aircraft or deal with their procurement and acceptance. I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment that 'mazaa nahin aa raha hai' (I'm / IAF is ) not enjoying this state of affairs. I am quite sure that many others flying HAL aircraft would have felt the same way, but it is a good thing that this is now out in the public domain. I quote the Chief of the Air Staff saying "I am just not confident in HAL".
One very simplistic way of looking at helicopter production is that the designer designs the helicopter and the manufacturing plant produces that design. At HAL, the RWR&DC is the design house and the factory then produces the finished helicopter. I am not a designer but being a user, and based on my personal experiences, I would like to bring out that HAL’s quality of manufacturing leaves much to be desired. There is a possibility that this post of mine will look more like a list of gripes. All this was actually seen by us in the line and affected our flying. Almost all experiences are personal, bar a few. Towards the end of my flying in the Navy for me, there was a basic trust factor that was missing, and it was standard practice for me to double-check anything that HAL put forward for us. I will list out some examples with photographs. It is said that one picture is worth a thousand words, and I hope that these pictures can bring about transformation and lead to manufacture of safer aircraft.
Fair warning - it is a long read, but then, it is a long story too, so bear with me!
One day in 2007, as soon as I entered the cockpit for an acceptance flight at HAL, I saw a big hole where the Attitude Indicator (the Master Instrument in the cockpit) on the PIC side was supposed to be installed. On inquiring, I was told that this helicopter had been okay-ed by Flight Ops and hence offered to the customer for a final acceptance flight. I then checked with Flight Ops, who told me that ‘yaar, the maintenance team had said they will fix it before offering the helicopter’. I fail to see why any pilot would accept a helicopter for a test flight without the main Attitude Indicator and then clear it for final delivery to the customer. Flight Operations should have insisted on accepting nothing but a complete helicopter, and the Helicopter Division should have offered only a fully serviceable machine for flight. I had to double-check everything, because there might have been some other things that could have been missed out before declaring readiness. HAL was always in a hurry to signal out the aircraft that weren't really ready, so crew would take longer than the expected time to complete the acceptance. The service HQs would often wonder why the pilots from the squadron are spending so much time in Bangalore!! Now they know.
One time, as head of the acceptance team, I had sent the ground crew ahead. They reported that about 20-30 % of the log-cards were not matching with the actual item installed on the helicopter. A log card is a physical card that reflects the installation history of the particular component, because components can be installed across aircraft. When a new component (say a generator or a pump) is installed, its serial number is entered in the log card along with the installation date and component hours. This is essential because each component has a fixed life and needs to be changed / serviced after this life. The log card must travel with the component and reflect the history. On deeper investigation, we realised that HAL had been resorting to cannibalising parts from other helicopters in their inventory, with no records being maintained on the log cards. Thus numbers on the log cards didn't match with the component serial numbers. This is very dangerous because the component history of installation and repair will never be known, and can lead to accidents. There were also other defects, like the rainwater that would leak into the cockpit, through the overhead CB panel, onto the engine controls on the collective and on the floor. Don’t believe me? Here are some pictures. Edited. There was some discussion that the water was actually condensation from the airconditioning on board. Unfortunately we did not have any airconditioning in these Naval helicopters, so it was indeed rain water.
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Raindrops keep falling on my head... |
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....and on the cabin floor |
Rainwater leaking into the battery compartment |
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Rainwater leakage seen on the control rods that go to the MGB |
GPS Antenna - At some other time, the unit pilots returned from a flight and found the GPS antenna missing from the aircraft.
GPS antenna flown away from top of tail |
Inspection revealed that
there were cracks on the mounting. When I called up Flight Ops long-distance from our base, their remarks
also left me very surprised– ‘Oh, has your antenna has also flown off?. HAL will replace it.' My point is, nobody told us so we could have it checked. Something like an Alert Bulletin. Here is a picture. There is a DGCA Airworthiness
Directive (AD 013R 1) on this, on my post here
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GPS antenna mounting bracket showing cracks |
During a training sortie one dark night over the sea I smelled hydraulic oil and asked the pilot to immediately turn towards the base. The rear crewman soon reported that there was oil dripping into the cabin. On return, we found that the reason for the leak was an incorrectly installed crush washer on the hydraulic package (pump/reservoir). This is a pipeline we had never opened at our unit so obviously it was installed incorrectly at HAL itself. DGCA AD 024 also indicates other instances of wrong assembly of some components (highlighted in the blog post here).
Another time, we could smell something burning during flight and quickly landed back. Our ground crew found that the alternator cables were chaffed on the frame due to vibrations and incorrect installation, causing sparking. There was naked wire and molten metal globs lying on the transmission platform. Since this was under warranty on a recently delivered helicopter, HAL promptly sent the replacement cable harness with workmen who found that the harness had ‘extra length’ and planned on using zip-ties to bind the extra wire (almost two feet of it). Fortunately, before they could complete the installation, the designer who had come to supervise, noticed that the workers were not doing the installation correctly. They did not have wiring diagrams, and hence did not know that the ‘extra length’ was actually meant to route the cable harness around the difficult area. It is no surprise that there was chaffing and failure of the cable on the newly accepted helicopter. Instances like this should have been documented at HAL right then, and corrective action taken.
In another incident in 2009-10 the DC generator cables were attached with connector lugs that seem to have been incorrectly installed. These cables carry very high current of about 1000 amps during the start and so they burnt down over time. The DC generator has a cover on the connectors, and so there is no way to inspect this area.
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Burn marks on the DC Generator |
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Generator cover under which the lug was getting burnt out |
Wiring and cables were major problem areas too. Here
are some pictures of parts of the wiring on our helicopter at the time. The maze of wires randomly pulled can be clearly seen; some wires are taking very sharp bends around airframe structures and also tied with zip-ties all of which led to chaffing.
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Randomly tied wires, sometimes pulled in one direction to clear off an area. The strain leads to cuts |
Wires with over 90ยบ nips, and water leaking on to the nose radar components |
In many cases wires are routed around sharp corners and also tied up under tension using zip-ties. Here you can see that one wire has broken at the point of zip-tie.
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Zip ties and cables under tension. One of the wires is broken off at the zip-tie |
Workmanship always remained a problem. I am putting just one picture here from the helicopter that we received. The hinge is not aligned properly and panels are not matching.
Tail Rotor Blades - Some time in 2008, we found discolouring on the resin covering of flex beams of the tail rotor blades. As you can see in the pictures below, the discoloured part was also breaking away. TRB vibration was a big problem with the helicopter, and we promptly reported this to HAL. Sadly, nothing was immediately done to fix the problem and we were asked to 'monitor the area', that is all!! At some later date, I think they came up with a solution. Here are the pictures. It is very likely that the correct process may not have been followed during manufacture.
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Pieces of the resin coating on the TR flex beam coming apart |
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White discolouration at the root end of the tail rotor flex beam |
An officer from my unit after I retired recounted a tale. During a visit to HAL he was shown the control rod from the helicopter he had recently delivered. The rod was from inside the IDS, and badly bent. He was asked if he had faced any control difficulty during flying, his answer was no. There is a very dangerous trend in most of the accidents and the serious incidents in the ALH, that until a catastrophic failure actually occurs, the pilots rarely feel any control problems. I do not know if the bending/failure of this rod would have been properly documented or investigated. If yes, there should have been difficult questions raised, for which there may not have been answers. All these incidents even then were signs of things going downhill, and should have been addressed at that time.
The last instance I will write about in my personal experience on the ALH was a CPA failure in 2004. I have written about the CPA for further reading here (go to the end). The CPA is a very critical part of the FADEC without which the engine will not be able to function properly, even leading to an overspeed trip. An instance was recounted to me from 2013-14. HAL had installed a CPA backup switch on a Naval helicopter being ferried to Kochi, because there were repeated failures of the CPA in flight (a modification). Despite asking for it, HAL did not give the crew any laid down procedure for using this switch. During the ferry back, the CPA failed and one engine went to idle. The helicopter had to divert to Sulur. That very evening, HAL promptly issued the pilot procedure for using the CPA backup switch. There are four DGCA Airworthiness Directives on the CPA, most of them related to bad quality or bad / incorrect wiring and installation - the reason is clearly mentioned by DGCA, not by me.
There is a helicopter (after my time) IN 7xx that was offered for acceptance. During
hover, the MGB oil pressure was low and temperatures fluctuating so the pilot landed immediately. After shutdown,
they found that HAL had forgotten to put any oil in the MGB (main gearbox), and it was running dry (pilot cannot see the MGB oil level during walk-around, and has to trust the ground crew when they release the helicopter for flight). The HAL ground
crew did not seem overly concerned about this lapse, and they calmly told
the pilot that he need not have worried, because the MGB would have lasted at
least 20 minutes without oil. Is this the right attitude to have in an aviation
setup? Nothing of this would be recorded anywhere, and no corrective actions taken to prevent recurrence.
Quality Control - I am fairly sure HAL has a method for quality control. However, when we opened the floorboard for the first time to carry out inspection of the fuel tanks, we found metal debris underneath the fuel bladders. This should never have happened.
We also recovered rag pieces, screws and a ball-point pen from the space below the aft floorboard where the EFG bottles are installed (Bottles are the nitrogen cylinders that blow gas into the floatation gear when activated during a water landing) . A rag piece had remained behind the bottle when the floorboard was installed at HAL.
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A rag piece was found behind the Nitrogen bottle of the Emergency Flotation Gear system. The floorboard was opened up for inspection for the first time, and this was found underneath |
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Debris and loose bolts in between the EFG bottles, underneath the floorboard |
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Somebody at HAL seems to have misplaced this ballpoint pen that we found below the floorboard in the space for four EFG bottles |
The most crucial part in all these cases is that the workmanship, and the way the helicopter was put together in the factory was far below standard.
The problem in manufacturing is not limited only to the ALH, but even Chetak helicopters had their share of problems with HAL quality and workmanship. In 1993, we were off Somalia, and operating a Chetak recently serviced at HAL. Just as I was coming to a hover on the ship's deck, the hydraulic system gave way at this crucial point. On opening the hydraulic pipeline we found a rag piece jamming the pump input pipe. This system had not been serviced by my crew because it was a recently accepted aircraft (from HAL) with barely 25 hours flown. We surmised that possibly while servicing the helicopter at HAL some workman had blocked off the hydraulic reservoir or pipeline with the rag piece. This must have gone unnoticed when putting the aircraft back together, and the rag remained hidden until we found it the hard way. The correct way is to use a red coloured plastic blanking which must be removed before reassembly.
There was serious accident on a Navy Chetak IN 4xx in September 2014, where one of the main rotor blades got detached and flew off while coming in to land. The President of the Inquiry went deep into the history of the blade. It was found at NAL that the blade had been worked on at HAL and corrosion treatment near the root was not done correctly. Due to this corrosion spread along the spar and finally the blade flew away in flight. An identical case had happened in a fatal crash about 7 months back in Goa, in which the blade separated about 700 feet on finals at Goa and the helicopter fell to the ground. The Army had a similar case in Bagdogra in Dec 2015.A one time check on all Chetaks revealed 12 more blades had the same problem. Just imagine, there were 12 more such accidents waiting to happen. Quite a horror story. The NAL Report is probably still available for study. There was no information received about corrective actions and anything done to prevent recurrence.
During acceptance of Chetak IN 4xx from HAL in the early
2000s, I had a hover power mismatch from the calculated figure. After many
attempts, HAL finally fixed it and I ferried out. During the next 25-hourly inspection at the unit, my
technical team told me that the HAL crew seemed to have deliberately misaligned the collective pitch transmitter , so that the cockpit instrument would read the required figure. We then had to do a lot of work on the rigging of the main rotor blades to finally achieve the correct hover pitch in the correct manner, rather than tinkering with the readings. This is just like the 12th standard board practicals, where the experiment sometimes has to be adjusted to get the required readings for the result!!
There is hardly any feedback to the Services about the corrective actions taken at the manufacturing facility. Most of the defects continue to go undocumented. I have said it earlier too that HAL is no stranger to aerospace manufacturing. HAL has been in the aviation industry 'manufacturing' everything from helicopters to fighters since the 60s and 70s. It is nobody’s case that all these manufacturing problems are because the ALH is (or was) in development. During informal conversation with present ALH crew I was told that things have improved somewhat, and only little rainwater leaks into the cockpit now. Only a little? Will anyone accept ‘only a little’ rainwater leaking into a personal car costing a few lakhs? There is then no reason for anyone to accept this on a 50 crore helicopter. Period.
The unfortunate quality of workmanship and attention to hygiene in manufacture has nothing to do with aviation but with basic practices that ought to be followed in any manufacturing facility. The automobile industry has very clean conditions in the factories. Their workers have very specific tooling provided, procedures are well laid out, and the environment is quite dust-free. The conditions even in the dealer authorised workshops locally are far better than what were seen in the helicopter factory. The way that aircraft were produced and serviced at HAL did not inspire confidence, even by basic manufacturing standards. I have witnessed the clean rooms in manufacturing lines in the auto industry. I have visited assembly lines at Airbus, Sikorsky and Agusta, and there is no comparison.
Another possible problem area is the rush to clear inventory by 31 March each year. A careful look at the production figures will reveal a clear bunching up of finished aircraft towards March. This means that production is hurried up in March, with a lot of work being done beyond working hours. This could lead to shoddy work, glossing over safety protocols and procedures thus leaving no time for quality checks or re-work. Pilots are pressurised to accept the helicopter in whatever condition it is offered in March. the only way out of this is for HAL to positively ensure a delivery schedule that is evenly spaced throughout the financial year.
I am fortunate to have seen the design and testing facilities at HAL first-hand. All the dynamic components are put through very rigorous testing upto the limits set by the designer and more. Blades secured on hydraulic rigs are continually tested almost till breaking point. All the samples - control rods, linkages, beams, gearboxes are also tested in a similar manner. It is quite clear that the design and testing teams are doing a very meticulous job and that the specific parts put on these rigs had passed these stringent testing standards. The testing facilities encompass a very impressive setup. My interaction with individual members of the design team were always very rewarding. I found them to be a very knowledgeable set of brilliant people all motivated to produce world class helicopters. One wonders then that, despite all this, why these helicopters continue to crash, and that too with relatively low time on them even after parts that have passed rigorous testing.
One possibility is that many of the failures are caused by the shoddy workmanship and not a faulty design. even the DGCA has said in their ADs that some incidents are attributed to incorrect assembly, wrong wiring, correct process not followed etc. If the shop floor does not take care to make components correctly or put them together the way the designer has planned it, then the fault lies not in the design. We will never know, because there are no records maintained, and in many of the ALH crashes, it might be very difficult to pinpoint whether the crash caused the component failure or the other way around. I quote a modified line from an aviation movie - The mind is writing cheques the body can't cash.
Is there something that can be done?
- Pause manufacturing, and do a thorough audit of all the manufacturing processes. This includes tooling, work-flow, clean areas, precautions and the like. If necessary, take inputs from automobile and other manufacturing industries even if they are non-aviation.
- Ensure that there is a plan for continuous work completion and production against a time line. Do not allow production to pile up till the year end; there should be a monthly target for production, without bunching up to the last week of each month. This will avoid work being done after normal working hours and too much in the month of March.
- There must be a system for the customer to report to HAL each and every defect in the field, whether minor or major. All component changes or rejections must be studied and documented at HAL for allied reasons. HAL must honestly report each and every defect and component failure to all other customers regularly. The data must include information like, when the defect was found, component hours etc, and mainly an analysis from the user as to the secondary effect of the failure. For example, the CPA failure will possible lead to an overspeed on the engine. There must be a central agency to independently collate all this data, analyse trends, and determine if there is a design defect or quality issue in manufacturing or in type of operations. It is very possible that failed parts were not manufactured properly or were installed incorrectly. Analysis of the failures must be communicated to all customers and be used to improve product quality.
- There are cases where even after suffering a serious failure an aircraft survived with just a hard landing. For example, it is learnt that there are Army and IAF helicopters that have dropped to the ground from hover due to failure of the control rods. These will never get classified as crashes or accidents, but they are in effect like an accident, and would have become a statistic had the takeoff been continued. A CPA failure due to bad workmanship must also be classified as a serious incident, under manufacturing or design or both. This process of documentation is extremely important in any new helicopter or aircraft, and HAL must implement it right away for the Tejas and also the LUH. In fact, it would be good to start something like this for all their products even now, with honest reporting and honest analysis. It is only when the (manufacturing) house is fully in order can we realistically come to know the real cause of many of the aircraft accidents, whether it is design or manufacturing.
- The services should stop accepting helicopters under any kind of concession in critical areas. One example is the blade folding of Naval ALH. The requirement as per NSQR was 3.5m folded width. HAL had taken a concession even before delivery and has never provided a helicopter with less than 5.4 m width, after two decades of flying the helicopter. This applies to all HAL developed aircraft. If, as brought out recently the LUH indeed has a problem with basic handling and with autorotation then the services should not make a commitment for this helicopter in any form whether LSP or otherwise, until all these problems are completely eliminated. Unless this is done, there is no pressure on the OEM to produce aircraft that meet the stringent requirements of safety and reliability.
This is not to say that other aircraft manufacturers always had a smooth run during development. Yes, there were many accidents and design issues. The difference is the approach to these; most OEMs have a greater amount of transparency and positive attitude to try and get over the problem with a permanent solution rather than short fixes. Look at the way Leonardo fixed the problem with the tail rotor of the AW169 after the spectacular crash in Leicester City in Oct 2018. They didn’t start investigation by blaming pilots or maintenance. The AW169 today is a highly successful machine all over the world although Leonardo is facing a lawsuit of over GBP 2 billion by the family of the owner that died in the crash. Is this the only way that HAL will start getting things in order, a lawsuit?
If the manufacturing does not play along with the designer's designs, can you really call it a design fault? How do you determine what is the failure factor here? I do not have the answers, but this is something that only a deep study will reveal. I am told that quality and manufacturing have improved somewhat in the more recent aircraft, which is a good thing. But if this is so, why are there still more crashes on the Mk III models? There is more information on a separate blog here about the recent unfortunate crash on 5th of January of the Indian Coast Guard ALH at Porbandar.
It is also time that something is done about the absolute monopoly of this aviation behemoth. Only then will there be real competition, and a real need to improve everything for real customer satisfaction. Imagine if today, we were still stuck with the choice between an Ambassador or a Premier Padmini, because no other car manufacturer was permitted to set up shop! This is exactly the condition we find ourselves in.
There must be alternate sources of aircraft manufacturers, and the customer's choice must be based on the best available option there. Initially it will definitely mean contract manufacturing, because there is a very steep learning curve. There is a lot of aviation production already originating in India. Tata-Boeing aerospace has recently delivered the 300th fuselage for the Apache helicopter, for example.
In any commercial organisation, there is accountability and there are financial bottomlines. Any worker or manager found not doing the task properly will find that his contract is not renewed. Accountability must be ensured in any manufacturing facility whether PSU or not. Any non-performer must not be allowed to continue. If things are not fixed in time, even the prestigious Tejas project will have the same kind of defects and problems because of workmanship and quality. It will be the same for the LUH production. We must not fool ourselves into believing that the Services ought to support the PSUs at all costs. We may forgive HAL, but will the enemy forgive us in a war is the question. In the now public video even the Chief of the Air Staff has opined that HAL is not in Mission Mode while sitting in an HAL Tejas during the Aero India 2025.
This government has taken the right steps in bringing in private companies into defence and aerospace, the biggest example being the contract manufacture of the Airbus 295 for the IAF. Tatas have taken a big leap on their own by setting up the H125 assembly line as well. Unfortunately there is a lot of investment in all these setups and it is difficult to sustain this without some kind of assurance of numbers that can only come from Government or defence orders, at least to start with. Even Agusta / Leonardo started off as a contract manufacturer for the Bell models long back, and has now come into its own. That is probably the way to go.
It cannot be business as usual at HAL, we can no longer accept the shoddy workmanship that we have seen for so many years, that cost us precious lives and expensive aircraft. Generating sales by forcing the Services to accept below-standard aircraft just to fill in the order books is totally wrong and ineffective in the long run. If a product is really good, then order books will automatically be full from willing customers to purchase a helicopter that makes good business sense. Civil operators cannot afford the amount of inevitable down time when you fly an HAL product. It is obvious that no commercial civil operator has enough trust in any HAL product to ensure the required flying and stay in business. The LUH was an excellent opportunity to enter the lucrative single engine commercial market, but sadly there is no interest there. Pawan Hans contracting for the ALH is and exception because both are PSUs.
I bear no malice or ill-will towards HAL or the ALH. In fact, all the time we flew the ALH for proving it in the field, we were very proud to be the chosen ones to undertake this task. When the helicopter is serviceable, it is a wonderful machine to fly and has served well towards saving lives, supplying the high altitude posts and conducting rescue. Sadly, HAL's pigeons have come home to roost, and many innocent lives are being lost in disastrous crashes. I can't even even imagine the terror experienced by each of those pilots as they fell towards the ground, holding a completely ineffective set of controls, desperately trying to recover from the ever increasing spiral taking the helicopter to their certain death. Whether all this is due to design or manufacture or workmanship hardly matters to the families grieving for their loved ones.
HAL needs to urgently take the right steps (whatever the cost) to prevent more accidents. HAL owes it to all those victims of crashes on HAL built aircraft to rise above it all and ensure safety and reliability in its products.
Comments are welcome.
I end this with a prayer for all those lives that have been lost due to issues in workmanship, quality or design. I sincerely hope that there is someone listening out there, and that change for the better. I will be the happiest person to see HAL successful, first technologically and then commercially rather than basking in the dubious glory of orders from a captive customer base.
Jai Hind.
Very well brought out. The incidents prove that there is no accountability with HAL or any of its employee. Being a government organisation the services are forced to accept a low quality product. More importance is given to meeting production targets , than to quality product. HAL needs to change their attitude and work culture. The same product when made by a private organisation is far superior in quality and is accountable, for they fear loss of business. No such fear is with HAL They are clearly responsible for loss of men and material. Its high time heads need to roll. Government needs to take a tough action and not bow down to unions.
ReplyDeleteThank you very much. Yes, the PSU culture with a 'shield' of invincibility is making these organisations immune to outside audit and improvement
DeletePSU CULTURE(AVIATION RELATED)....HAL & PHL
ReplyDeleteHaving closely worked and flown with two Aviation Behemoth PSUs in India..namely HAL & PHL I discovered that there is common VIRUS that plagues them. And of course, ONGC is not very much out of synch with HAL & PHL in terms of having 49% stake in PHL and being moot spectator to crashing & shutting down of OFFSHORE operations of PHL apart from countless accidents and loss of lives.
That common VIRUS is DISDAINFUL CULTURE & ATTITUDE towards customers, which translates into substandard products. Sadly, in Aviation, the substandard product will invariably translate into SAFETY HAZARDS, which has been going on decades after decades. And this VIRUS thrives and draws strength from GOVT & REGULATOR being at their back and, of course, listless, meek , and non demanding customers, be it MILITARY or ONGC itself.
In Oct 2011...a person takes over as the CMD, HAL. It would seem routine. However, the person got this coveted post after stupendous performance as CMD, PHL. Here are few of his achievements between 2007-2011
1. 07 - TOTAL ACCIDENTS
2. 05 - FATAL ACCIDENTS
3. 07 - PILOTS DEAD
4. 03 - CREW DEAD
5. 22 - PASSENGERS DEAD
6. 05 - HELICOPTER DESTROYED
....All this happens under the leadership of this person with most of the Accident Report directly indicting PHL....Still he was given reigns of HAL...just after achieving all these feats.
This is how Aviation is treated in India by Govt & PSUs.
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Very unfortunate. For our country to progress, the work culture will have to change
DeleteI feel this article echoes the sentiments of all helicopter pilots across the spectrum who have had the opportunity of flying these machines either in the defence service or outside. That, this has been conveyed strongly by the highest authority of the end users is a true testimony to this fact. HAL needs to pull its act together and much needed impetus must be given to private sector enterprises by the Govt to get fully involved in aero industries development in our country. Or else we will continue to loose precious lives in the forceable future.
ReplyDeleteThank you very much for supporting the correctness of what I have said. I only hope things improve, going forward. That change has to be immediate and rapid, though
DeleteI am so happy that we are voicing our concerns to a substandard and an unworthy flying aircraft!
ReplyDeleteMay these voices be quoted and heard in the places where they matter!
Kudos!
It would be very good if more affected persons did indeed come up with first-hand experiences of their own too. Thanks
DeleteHello Sir,
ReplyDeleteI read your article and since then I was thinking about what and how to reply. I never thought that such things happen and how much you put your life at risk and the challenges you face as an officer.
It's horrible..... is the only thing I can think of . If I would not have come across such an article I could never understand the gravity of it.
With those relevant photographs we could understand how much is the risk involved and how one can be so ignorant about it. Looking at the statistics HAL must and should raise their standards or give it to someone who is truly capable of it.
Thank you for such an insightful article. It should reach more and more people to become aware and take collective action
such issues.
Hats off to you !
You are correct. The point is that when we go about our duties, we as pilots and as servicemen need to be assured that the machines we fly are beyond doubt fully okay. Sadly experience does not prove it.
DeleteThanks for reading it and commenting. HAL needs to improve well, everything
เคญเคฏाเคจเค เคเคนे เคนे,
ReplyDeleteBhayanak indeed, this is the right word. :-(
DeleteOMG, it's hard to imagine that such issues can exist in such risky machinery. We can't even conceive of this in the automobile industry... and these are fundamental questions that anyone can easily understand.
ReplyDeleteIf we are willing to compromise on our quality, what can we expect from government companies? And if someone openly expresses concerns about this, they are immediately labeled as anti-national...
The fact that the Air Force Chief has made a public statement highlights the seriousness and extent of this issue.
It's crucial to question the government mentality and system in this way, and the right individuals should definitely exercise that right.
Kudos to Cdr. Yashodhan for addressing this; it’s hardly enough to congratulate him. This commitment will undoubtedly inspire and provide a safe environment for future generations in the defense forces.
A heartfelt thank you and best wishes to both of you for making this insightful article available to us. ๐
Jai Hind!
You are absolutely correct. The first accusations are that a person is writing this for pushing imports. I am neither associated with any aviation company nor am I pushing for import. My stress is on Quality. Ensuring quality in manufacturing at this organisation will solve more than half the problems, and fixing accountability will solve the next 40%. The shoddy work seen here will not be at all acceptable in the auto industry, so why are these sub-standard finished products pushed on to the defence services is the question
DeleteThe events and cases described by Cdr Marathe are extremely pathetic. However, since *we, the proud Indians,* are so much used to the ' เคเคฒเคคा เคนै' attitude, that such things are considered as 'normalised' ones.
ReplyDeleteHe has literally proved everything with supporting photographs, so no one can deny/ justify anything. A big compliment to him for the same. However, the problem remains unsolved for years. "เคोเคท्เค เคเคฅे เคธंเคชเคค เคจाเคนी".
Things like leaking rainwater, jammed hydraulic systems, components without proper corrosion treatment and dry gearboxes are beyond any 'engineering' system.
'A casual approach with no accountability' is the tagline of an 'Indian system'.
เคฎाเคจเคตी เคिเคตाเคी เคिंเคฎเคค เคจเคธเคฃे เคนा เคช्เคฐเคाเคฐ เคเคชเคฒ्เคฏा เคธैเคจिเคी เคธेเคตांเคชเคฐ्เคฏंเคค เคชोเคนोเคเคฃे, เคนा เคเคฐं เคคเคฐ เค เคค्เคฏंเคค เคंเคญीเคฐ เคुเคจ्เคนाเค เคฎ्เคนเคฃाเคตा เคฒाเคेเคฒ. เคชเคฃ เคुंเคชเคฃเค เคถेเคค เคाเคคे, เคค्เคฏाเคฒा เคोเคฃ เคाเคฏ เคเคฐเคฃाเคฐ?
เคชूเคฐ्เคตी เคเคชเคฒ्เคฏा PMPML เคฌเคธเคฎเคงूเคจ เคช्เคฐเคตाเคธ เคเคฐเคคाเคจा เคฎीเคฆेเคीเคฒ เคเคฃ्เคฃเคฆिเคถी เคฐเคธ्เคค्เคฏाเคตเคฐ 'เคชเคกूเคจ เคेเคฒेเคฒा' accelerator เคเคฃि เคฌเคธ เคाเคฒเคตเคคाเคจा เคเคชเคธूเคจ เคนाเคคाเคค เคเคฒेเคฒा เคिเค เคฐเคा เคฆांเคกा , เคฏा เคोเคท्เคी 'เคฏाเคि เคฆेเคนी เคฏाเคि เคกोเคณा' เค เคจुเคญเคตเคฒेเคฒ्เคฏा เคเคนेเคค. เคชเคฃ เคคी เคाเคฒी เคเคฎिเคจीเคตเคฐเคी เคोเคท्เค! เคฒोเค เคจिเคฆाเคจ เคงเคกाเคงเคก เคเคก्เคฏा เคคเคฐी เคฎाเคฐू เคถเคเคคाเคค.
Systems in aircraft and helicopters are expected to bear the highest standards of engineering design and quality control.
'เคญाเคฐเคคीเคฏ เคฌเคจाเคตเคी'เค्เคฏा เค เคถा เคोเคท्เคींเคฎुเคณे เคเคชเคฃ เคเคชเคฒी เคชाเค เคฅोเคชเคूเคจ เค्เคฏाเคฏเคी เคा เคिเคตाเคा เคฅเคฐเคाเคช เคเคกเคตूเคจ เค्เคฏाเคฏเคा, เค เคธा เคช्เคฐเคถ्เคจ เคชเคกเคคो!
Thank you for going through in detail and commenting. Your experience in a PMPML (Pune city buses) where the the accelerator fell off is hilarious, and equally dangerous. Imagine this multiplied by a factor or 'many' and this is what is happening.
DeleteHAL has been in the Aerospace sector since the 60s and anyone who says that ALH is the first production and HAL should be excused the first few machines, should keep in mind that people are dying. Highly trained, and irreplaceable people are dying. A very sad state of affairs indeed.
Sir, HAL has been in aerospace prior independence as Walchand Enterprise. It is older than independent India. It needs to be gives off into smaller entities. Too lucrative for the vested interests.
DeleteThat could be a viable solution. All the divisions might perhaps be too difficult to manage. There might be a lot of benefit from converting these into smaller, more manageable entities, with a new set of rules for a better and more productive work environment
DeleteA real eye opener article.. Civilians like us, just get to read about the unfortunate mishaps of plane and helicopter crashes. Real reasons behind these, like technical failures are seldom made known to the general public. Thanks for sharing.
ReplyDeleteYes, unfortunately, because many times the reports are not made public or are not easily available, it is difficult to collate data. There is always an attempt by any manufacturer to gloss over data, and that is the reason there has to be an accountability held.
DeleteThank you
This article brings out the gory and astonishing details of aircrafts and mishaps which I.was totally unaware of.
ReplyDeleteExcellent description Sir
It gives a sad feeling after reading it although we're proud of the people in the services
Mishaps happen often because of mistakes people make in the air, or on the ground or in maintenance. Sadly here the situation is that we pilots are set up in an environment where the chances of mishaps are inbuilt into the machine. This is something that can be easily address, but needs hard decisions.
DeleteThank You
My goodness, such a careleasness, we as a layman don't know anything abt it.
ReplyDeleteYes, that is the problem. As laymen, we are still entitled to know what the PSUs that too listed ones, doing, how they are performing, and those that are shareholders must demand that HAL lives up to the correct manufacturing practices
DeleteHAL has been problematic since eons now.
ReplyDeleteThe cat has been belled too thru eons.
Apart from HALs civilian hierarchy negating complaints or underplaying them in front of Pol powers, the two main assets that enable it go Scott free is
A) No real challenge confrontation from Mil Hierarchy
B) A psychological failure . Mil Officers deputed to HAL or working for HAL, often justify HALs deliverance of a product. Whilst these officers have toiled to improve the product thru their own experiences and overcome challenges, the production line to vendorship is not in their control. In reality their own toilet is let down by HAL but a human psychological facet makes them feel that bringing HALs faultline out is akin to nullifying their hard work. This enables HALs faultline that errupt out of the gambit of retired vets/ serving deputed to HAL, to go on forever
Read "toilet" as ",Toil"
DeleteAbsolutely correct. There is a feeling that is drilled into so many in the hierarchy that everyone needs to support indigenous production at all costs. A great example is how the Ambassador car was driven into oblivion. It just didn't work out, and customers were fed up with performance, quality, and prices too. It is no wonder that the Maruti 800 became a runaway success. In the two-wheeler industry too, opening up the sector to collaboration and manufacturing in the late 80s has revolutionised the sector and today India exports a lot many two-wheelers. This would not have been possible if the limited manufacture of licence-produced Vespa, or the Lambretta, had continued.
DeleteGraded push towards indigenous production, where the customer has a choice is the only way
This ‘Tell All, Bare All’ piece by Captain YP Marathe is the result of in-depth and first person, hands-on experiences with the ALH Squadron that he very ably commanded despite the myriad of Flight Safety and Maintenance issues he, his officers and men experienced and suffered.
ReplyDeleteHAL’s indifference and often times their couldn’t care attitude is not unknown to their captive market, the Services; but it’s also the last thing a user expects from an aircraft OEM. It is hoped that this unbiased report illustrated with ample details and examples will not be dismissed or defended by HAL, instead it must be paid heed to by all concerned.
This is the only ‘Way Forward’ if Bharat in future has to achieve Atmanirbharta in the field of Aviation.
Above comment by RAdm Mukul Asthana, former ACNS (Air), Indian Navy
DeleteThank you, Admiral. It is very important that even in the 21st century we are still struggling with development as an excuse. The ALH was probably in development in the late 90s, and then the LSPs flew for some years in the early 2000s. But after that if the helicopter is cleared for Series Production, it means that the manufacturer claims to have attained mastery over the production after ironing out all issued. The problem continues because of 'Management ....followed concurrent engineering philosophy'.
DeleteThere is much to be read in the CAG report from 2010-1 on the ALH. There are very strong statements there to refute a lot that HAL has claimed. There are so many points where the reports states that “The reply is not convincing”. It is very important to read this report thoroughly. The link is here. https://cag.gov.in/uploads/download_audit_report/2010/Union_Performance_Commerical_Activities_Public_Sector_Undertakings_10_2010_chapter_3.pdf
HAL has been well exposed even by the CAG that it promises one thing but is not able to deliver.
If the CAG is unsatisfied with the replies from HAL, then how is it that the Services are still being forced to buy this aircraft without completely addressing everything in the design and manufacturing?
There are serious issues here, and it is very likely that things have not improved since the time that I left the unit.
I fully agree with the author. Poor craftsmanship with poor QC ails in the HAL helicopter products. A CoI of a Chetak accident in 1997 referred the MGB to DMRL, Hyderabad, and the conclusion was poor material in the planetary gears. HAL took umbrage to the DMRL testing this!! With support from CEMILAC, this was hushed!! Sad state of affairs!
ReplyDeleteThis is very scary, and thank you for putting this very clear point out here.
DeleteI have heard a lot of cases of accidents where the testing labs were pressurised to change their opinion or after the opinion was given, HAL put a dissenting note saying they don't agree. there have been a lot of Chetak main rotor blades flying off. NAL has very clearly put it on the quality at HAL. I am told that a dozen blades in the IN and ICG were found to be faulty. Potentially 12 helicopters saved.
It is the same problem across all types of products, but since I have only experience with ALH and Chetak, I can write about this.
All this needs a deeper study
Sir congratulations for telling it like it is. All of us have faced issues due to shoddy workmanship and flown on a wing & a prayer. Very insightful, thought provoking & can lead to a metamorphosis should the powers that be choose to remove their blinkers
ReplyDeleteThank you for your comments sir. May I request you to put some examples of the shoddy workmanship possibly with dates even if it is not only on the ALH? This will only go to confirm that what I have written is actually experienced by others too. I have heard a lot of stories even for other aircraft produced by HAL, but will be unable to comment since I do not have first hand information.
DeleteSupper info bring to us !!
ReplyDeleteThank you. I think it is very important that every citizen knows what is the (lack of ) quality our Navratna PSUs are pushing on to the military
DeleteSarkari civilian combination will only produce this quality .....it's not that people are incapable. You change the team under dynamic responsive and responsible leadership .....you will find a miracle from the same team ....Change the leadership
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely correct. The thing is to bring in accountability, monitoring of the work, and most importantly very strict quality control by the certifying authorities that are embedded in HAL.
DeleteThanks for a very informative article, sir. But it’s very unfortunate, frustrating and scary to see this “chalata hai” attitude in a company like HAL where we otherwise imagine that perfection and precision are of utmost importance.
ReplyDeleteHowever the silver lining is as you said the designers, experts and testers are very knowledgeable and doing their job. Things are going wrong in later part of line.
Just a thought, is the reason because it’s a PSU or Accountability is not clearly defined.
Ofcourse, mine is a very limited or no knowledge in this domain. You have also given detailed improvement points. But this article should reach to whomever concerned and most importantly action should be taken over this. Or else we have so many carpets in govt offices. ๐
I am glad you found it informative. You are right, it is indeed very frustrating. Imagine flying this for many years, and the product improvement is very less. Even after 20 years, the helicopter quality is only marginally better. Plus, the newer models are crashing much more with alarming regularity
ReplyDeleteThere is need to have more companies into manufacturing to create spirit of competition . Private sector Can be roped in.
ReplyDeleteYes, you are correct. This is the only way to do it. Partner with an established non-HAL manufacturer, and learn from this collaboration. We did the same in the four wheeler and two wheeler industry and are now exporting a lot.
ReplyDeleteBut for this there have to be adequate numbers, and as of now only the Government or Defence can put up so many numbers. Let us hope things improve
We have a chalata hai attitude.
ReplyDeleteThat is dangerous.
We need to make every mechanic accountable if a short work is seen. Having served in Indian Navy for over 18 years as doctor I have sent a callous operation theater assistant on board INS Vikrant home for shoddy work. But that is how should be in a PSU involved in aviation. Your callousness can't be a reason for loss of life at any time.
HAL needs to be taken to task if we have to compete with china. You can't just be complacent that Pakistan is worse off than us.
Jai Hind.
This is Surgeon Commander Subodh Khare(Retd).
ReplyDeleteThank you Surg Cdr Khare. You are correct. Accountability has to be brought in and quality has to be world-class. Without that we will continue to remain third world
ReplyDeleteIn almost every area, in public sector, we have seen, faced the bad effects of non accountability, no control on quality, chaotic processes etc. Still we Indians , are doing some thing better in each such area only because of a bunch of dedicated, committed and innovative individuals.
ReplyDeleteBut we have tremendous faith in our military forces and companies who provide them with the required high technical equipments. After reading this, that faith is destroyed totally. ๐
Without an external force, we do not feel accountability on our own towards any thing, and that is dangerous. As a society, we have to accept this major fault in our wiring and make huge systematic efforts to change it.
The public sector had served India well enough in the few years after Independence. Your point about lack of accountability is absolutely spot on. Unless each one of us takes pride in our own work, our organisation and our product, things will not improve. The standards required for the military are indeed of the highest order, and it is most unfortunate that those whom we depend on to keep our lives safe do not seem to be living up to the requirement. Like you write, there individual sparks of dedication, pride and brilliance, but sadly these are overshadowed by those that do not feel any accountability.
ReplyDeleteThank you for reading and commenting, Dr Athavale and hope that these issues get wider readership so that the only way we go is up.
I sincerely pray that things improve and more lives are not unnecessarily and avoidably snuffed out.